Questions About Combining Dry Fasting and Microdosing

[Nuit97]

Hi I've read your article on dry fasting and psychedelics and I have a few questions.

A bit about me: I’m an independent researcher in the psychedelic field, so I have a lot of personal experience. A few months ago I gained a lot of weight for personal reasons and reached about 240 pounds. Since then I lost around 40 pounds by alternating between a keto diet and a carnivore diet. One month ago I started experimenting with dry fasting, following the advice in Dr. Filonov’s book on dry fasting. Only did few 24 to 36 hours dry fasting from there.

My main questions are about using psychedelics during a dry fast. I don’t have mushrooms available; I have cactus and LSD. Because cactus requires ingesting large amounts, I don’t think it’s realistic during a dry fast, but LSD seems suitable. So I want to know how to approach this.

For a dry fast with psychedelics, are we talking about a short dry fast like no more than 48 hours , where on the main dry-fast day you’d take a microdose?

Is it acceptable to take more than a microdose and do a light trip during a dry fast, or is that discouraged? I’m thinking doses up to 50 micrograms, not a heavy trip. A few years ago I did a 150 µg LSD trip on day 3 of a water fast and it was a great experience.

Would microdoses be appropriate for longer dry fasts, maybe up to five days? For example, could you take two microdoses (say on day 2 and day 4)? I don’t have a solid plan honestly I’m mainly looking for an informed opinion that can shed some light.

One other question: Dr. Filonov advises minimizing red meat or avoiding it during eating periods between dry fasts. I personally liked the carnivore diet. Is using a carnivore approach during refeeding periods between dry fasts a good idea, or to eat a lot of meat together with other foods? I’m curious whether combining carnivore with dry fasting makes sense.

Thanks a lot for your work. Even if I don’t comment often, I really appreciate what you do.
Nuit

[Yannick]

It's discouraged to take during a fast, unless you're experimenting with a short fast like a 36-hour dry fast. Using this strategy is a way to get a deeper experience with fewer grams/amount. I have not personally experimented with LSD, so I can't offer guidance, but maybe someoneo reading this in the future will be able to pop in with some experience.

Personally I think it's better to use microdosing in between fasts, after you've completed a refeed, so that you don't overmix and overcomplicate therapies. Dry fasting has a nice cleansing effect that makes ketosis, meditation, and serotonin states easier to handle and easier to enter. Use dry fasting as spiritual training for psychedelic states, which I recommend be done after you complete refeeding

[Titan]

FWIW, I remember an anecdote from a carnivore who gave up the diet, because he found himself utterly immune to LSD, even at doses above 1000mcg.
I don't know if that happens to everyone, or if it was the ketosis, or long term fat adaptation, or something else, just figured I would mention it.

It's an interesting thought to combine psychedelics with (dry)fasting, but for what purpose exactly? Simple curiosity or trying to attain something exact?

[holisticdmd]

I dry fast one day each week. I was just thinking to take a microdose for the experience. Maybe will make the day more interesting, i have lots of experience with high dose shrooms in the past. I have never done the micro route previous to now

[holisticdmd]

I am an experienced Faster and Shroomer in the holistic health industry since 1973. I am
In perfect physical health at 78. Today I did 60 mg for a microdose
I am
Here to report I had a full blown shroom experience with almost zero of the negative consequences I had previously experienced from shrooms. It certainly will diminish the benefits of the dry fast. However mentally and emotionally and physically in 3 short hours it has been the best experience ever. I would not do shrooms any other way. I may have to dry fast again tomorrow. Much Love to you all.

[Nuit97]

Thanks Yannick and Titan for your answers !

My interest is to go deeper into a calm and introspective mindset.

Doing 150ug of LSD + a little of mescaline at day 3 of a Water Fast was an experience a little bit stronger than usual but particularly calm and chill, and after 30hours of Dry Fast I feel really calm and serene. So my idea is maybe to try it for a small dry fast, 36hours max, to see how I react and my idea is like, under the influence of a psychedelic, you understand deeper the mecanism with your mind and body, and maybe by understanding deeper and intuitively rather than theoritically the regenerative effect of dry fasting with the help of psychedelics it would give an enhanced mind-body connection that may boost the regenerative effect of the dry fast, while having a more peaceful microdose/little trip experience.

So that's my idea, and for the carnivore diet, know that I think about it I realise that the trips I did during the carnivore diet where less intense than what I was expecting, so thanks for your info on it !

I will probably try a microdose soon with maybe a 24 hour dry fast, but will probably try longer dry fasts without them before experimenting deeper.

[Titan]

My interest is to go deeper into a calm and introspective mindset.

I figured I would suggest you learn about the buddhist Jhana states, and the mental technique Image Streaming.

Jhanas are basically locked-in concentration flow states on steroids, with new specific properties at each level.
If you take thinking or the mind as your concentration object, and enter a jhana state that way, you can get a lot of very deep and focused thinking done.
See Daniel Ingram's Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha (free online at his website) and David Johnson's Path to Nibbana (also free online somewhere).

Image streaming is a technique originated by Win Wenger, in the Einstein Factor.
It basically is using your inner voice to describe sensory input from your mind, all five senses, and this has profound impacts on thinking and subconscious connection if practiced regularly.
When I say profound, I mean people with aphantasia have developed hyperphantasia with it.
It's also thought to increase iQ and raw intelligence, along with creativity, problem solving, verbal fluency and more.
Lucid dreamers also use it as it tends to make your dreams much more thorough and realistic.