I actually found cheap TTFD on german amazon from Objective Nutrients: https://www.amazon.de/Objective-Nutrien ... r=8-1&th=1
Its dosed at 100mg, which would be a really big jump from 150mg of Benfo. I dont wanna make things worse as i really feel like im getting out of the woods now.
Not sure if i should pull the trigger on this. What do you think?
I just watched this video from Elliot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO-Ibt89jp0
And it seems like TTFD has some unique properties when it comes to the nervous system, despite the fact that Benfotiamine is able to cross the Blood Brain Barrier in small amounts
Horrific reactions to water and food during refeed after 7WF -> 7DF (WARNING to everyone to take Dry Fasting seriously)
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No need to at this point. As far as I can tell, the price isn't too much cheaper than straight from european objectivenutrients site.Not sure if i should pull the trigger on this. What do you think?
If you are doing something that works now, lock it in and milk it for all it's worth. Slow is smooth; smooth is fast.
Get to maintenance calories, and get your confident mood entirely stable.
If you started 100mg TTFD now, I would begin worrying if your cofactors and B complex were sufficient.
I know it sounds nutty and unbased, but mononitrate, benfo and TTFD "feel" different and are vastly different in terms of potency.
Granted that B1 repletion can take several months, when the time comes to buy new stuff, I would consider TTFD and the bundle form.
I think that's best value for money in terms of total dose over time.
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Thank you, yes i think thats the sensible approach.
Ill just stuck to Benfo right now, increase it very slowly. And sometime next year try out the TTFD stack. I believe it can only help and even though ill probably feel completely fine in months time, my nervous system is obviously beat down from this whole ordeal, so i should do something about it and heal it.
And you are right actually. I was comparing the amazon price for single TTFD against your TTFD stack. The prices are better on the website if you buy the 180tablet version.
Thank you again for all the help.
Ill just stuck to Benfo right now, increase it very slowly. And sometime next year try out the TTFD stack. I believe it can only help and even though ill probably feel completely fine in months time, my nervous system is obviously beat down from this whole ordeal, so i should do something about it and heal it.
And you are right actually. I was comparing the amazon price for single TTFD against your TTFD stack. The prices are better on the website if you buy the 180tablet version.
Thank you again for all the help.
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A saying from a weight lifting coach comes to mind: "How you feel is a lie".
He would tell that to lifters who felt tired, knowing they could likely set a new PR even in that state of fatigue.
The opposite also applies.
It's a strange thing I have learned studying health and physiology, many people feel glorious while they are sick underneath the surface.
I remember a famous Thai boxer, Ramon Dekker, in peak shape dropped dead in his forties.
Many endurance athletes and fighters experience the same. Fantastic looks, performance, mood, then one day the reaper comes for them out of nowhere.
That insight that stress and degeneration can build underneath the surface is what has gotten me to take Yannick's work so seriously; if his protocol can fix the sickest of the sick CFS/ME people, and it combines all the paradigms of the major nutritional "philosophies", then it has to be the best bet for long term health and vitality, with added insurance from regular dryfasting to prevent or kill severe illnesses.
Anyways... That's not to say you are sick now.
What I meant to get at is, you had a rocky last week, but now you are on the other side of the Scorch, and you get to regenerate.
You can say you have 6 months of B1 repletion and strategic nutrition ahead of you, or you can say all the fasting of this year sowed and fertilized the seeds, now it's time to let them grow, flourish, bloom and bear fruit - by eating fruits and glorious carbs.
I'd say things are looking really good for you. Why not look forward to it and enjoy it?
He would tell that to lifters who felt tired, knowing they could likely set a new PR even in that state of fatigue.
The opposite also applies.
It's a strange thing I have learned studying health and physiology, many people feel glorious while they are sick underneath the surface.
I remember a famous Thai boxer, Ramon Dekker, in peak shape dropped dead in his forties.
Many endurance athletes and fighters experience the same. Fantastic looks, performance, mood, then one day the reaper comes for them out of nowhere.
That insight that stress and degeneration can build underneath the surface is what has gotten me to take Yannick's work so seriously; if his protocol can fix the sickest of the sick CFS/ME people, and it combines all the paradigms of the major nutritional "philosophies", then it has to be the best bet for long term health and vitality, with added insurance from regular dryfasting to prevent or kill severe illnesses.
Anyways... That's not to say you are sick now.
What I meant to get at is, you had a rocky last week, but now you are on the other side of the Scorch, and you get to regenerate.
You can say you have 6 months of B1 repletion and strategic nutrition ahead of you, or you can say all the fasting of this year sowed and fertilized the seeds, now it's time to let them grow, flourish, bloom and bear fruit - by eating fruits and glorious carbs.
I'd say things are looking really good for you. Why not look forward to it and enjoy it?
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Beautifully said Titan.
I think im truly getting out of the woods now. I barely had any reactions today from food and water. Im not going to be dissapointed if they come back in waves in the following days. Ill just expect it might happen.
Thank you for being the kind of person who decided to take a glance at my thread and make the conscious decision to respond. You had every reason to close the tab and ignore it. And im completely disconnected from you as there is no relation between the both of us.
Yet you chose to type out a couple lines of support and motivation for me. For you it was nothing, for me it was everything. This was all i had during this very isolating experience as i can just never bring myself to burden my friends and family with my situation.
And thank you for shooting your shot at trying to understand what is going on with me, even if it was just speculation, who knows, it might had really been the B1 and Cofactors that finally got me over the edge.
Ill make a final statement in the following days, trying to make sense of the whole situation.
And hopefully this thread can serve as an example for everyone what can happen if you take things too far. I still believe if i didnt do a 7WF-7DF and only did the 7DF, this wouldnt have happened.
I think im truly getting out of the woods now. I barely had any reactions today from food and water. Im not going to be dissapointed if they come back in waves in the following days. Ill just expect it might happen.
Thank you for being the kind of person who decided to take a glance at my thread and make the conscious decision to respond. You had every reason to close the tab and ignore it. And im completely disconnected from you as there is no relation between the both of us.
Yet you chose to type out a couple lines of support and motivation for me. For you it was nothing, for me it was everything. This was all i had during this very isolating experience as i can just never bring myself to burden my friends and family with my situation.
And thank you for shooting your shot at trying to understand what is going on with me, even if it was just speculation, who knows, it might had really been the B1 and Cofactors that finally got me over the edge.
Ill make a final statement in the following days, trying to make sense of the whole situation.
And hopefully this thread can serve as an example for everyone what can happen if you take things too far. I still believe if i didnt do a 7WF-7DF and only did the 7DF, this wouldnt have happened.
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You are very welcome my friend, and I am glad you say that.
I was wondering if your situation was best handled by an emergency medicine room, but then I remembered modern medicine often fails us, that's why we are here.
I think someone as tenacious and focused as yourself would have found a way out of that hell no matter what, but if I could speed it up or ease it slightly, then I am glad.
A thing that might further your progress and resistance to those pesky reactions, is saturating magnesium.
Basically small doses, 4 times daily, for about two weeks, until stools turn soft (indicating you are intaking more than the body wants to absorb).
Maurice Daher talks about it on his channel: https://youtu.be/M8QQUTQil9E?t=19
I was wondering if your situation was best handled by an emergency medicine room, but then I remembered modern medicine often fails us, that's why we are here.
I think someone as tenacious and focused as yourself would have found a way out of that hell no matter what, but if I could speed it up or ease it slightly, then I am glad.
A thing that might further your progress and resistance to those pesky reactions, is saturating magnesium.
Basically small doses, 4 times daily, for about two weeks, until stools turn soft (indicating you are intaking more than the body wants to absorb).
Maurice Daher talks about it on his channel: https://youtu.be/M8QQUTQil9E?t=19
Re: Horrific reactions to water and food during refeed after 7WF -> 7DF (WARNING to everyone to take Dry Fasting serious
Please consult Yannick before committing to another fast.Thinking about doing a short water fast to get my nervous system back to baseline. Lets see how this goes
I know it can be tempting when things are confusing and going haywire, but if you fast to reset your nervous system, and your nervous system lacks the building blocks to function (electrolytes)... Then you are cooked.
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I worded that sentence incorrectly and corrected it. I might consider water fasting if i dont keep improving over the coming weeks. In my mind the water fast could really function as a kind of reset. ignoring the fact here that water fasting is great in general to reset the nervous system. It has helped me tremendously with every minor issue i ever had.
I do realize though that i am probably in a unique state where water fasting is perhaps not the best idea. I will probably not need this, but ill keep it in the back of my mind if things stay this way.
Thanks Titan
I do realize though that i am probably in a unique state where water fasting is perhaps not the best idea. I will probably not need this, but ill keep it in the back of my mind if things stay this way.
Thanks Titan
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All right fair enough. I honestly can't estimate if a waterfast would help you now or not, I just mentioned it because you seem like the kind of person who invented wing suit base jumping. Risk taking high achieving frontier breaking type person.
One thing that came to mind when reading your latest entry... Do you have any symptoms if you only eat solid food without drinking anything?
Or maybe even food with minimal water content like dried fruit?
If it holds true that the sudden symptoms like "water allergy" was indeed the vagus nerve being dysfunctional, then I think chewing more might benefit digestion and help the body figure out wtf is happening. Maybe it "rebels" against water, because it tries to resist electrolytes being excreted,
The vagus nerve is known to correlate with a "suck-swallow-breathe" complex of actions of the mouth etc. (chewing too)
I think chewing solid food thoroughly could potentially give it the stimulation it needs, to signal the digestive organs to fire up, so the symptoms might abate.
I dont know if that makes any sense or works in practice, it's just a shower thought.
One thing that came to mind when reading your latest entry... Do you have any symptoms if you only eat solid food without drinking anything?
Or maybe even food with minimal water content like dried fruit?
If it holds true that the sudden symptoms like "water allergy" was indeed the vagus nerve being dysfunctional, then I think chewing more might benefit digestion and help the body figure out wtf is happening. Maybe it "rebels" against water, because it tries to resist electrolytes being excreted,
The vagus nerve is known to correlate with a "suck-swallow-breathe" complex of actions of the mouth etc. (chewing too)
I think chewing solid food thoroughly could potentially give it the stimulation it needs, to signal the digestive organs to fire up, so the symptoms might abate.
I dont know if that makes any sense or works in practice, it's just a shower thought.
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I have got to ask what you were doing christmas day and the 25th?
Did anything stress you out? Or even stimulate you highly?
Was there any christmas food, alcohol, travel, turbulent family life, mood swings?
If the theory of B1 depletion -> Vagus nerve dysregulation -> "Water allergy" etc is true, then I could imagine in your very vulnerable state, small stressors could send you into a sympathetic state, blocking proper digestive function (which vagus should direct), sending you into symptoms.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you did a vagus regulation exercise like the yogic "bee breath" for 10 minutes or stomach self massage with a soft massage ball. Singing can also do it if you are good at it.
I know you are very diligent and have been careful with your refeed, so I doubt it's that you have gone too far with that.
Did anything stress you out? Or even stimulate you highly?
Was there any christmas food, alcohol, travel, turbulent family life, mood swings?
If the theory of B1 depletion -> Vagus nerve dysregulation -> "Water allergy" etc is true, then I could imagine in your very vulnerable state, small stressors could send you into a sympathetic state, blocking proper digestive function (which vagus should direct), sending you into symptoms.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you did a vagus regulation exercise like the yogic "bee breath" for 10 minutes or stomach self massage with a soft massage ball. Singing can also do it if you are good at it.
I know you are very diligent and have been careful with your refeed, so I doubt it's that you have gone too far with that.